Bicycle Laser Tag, Calendar LED Clock, Snow Melting Pads, and Sonder Location-Aware Dating
Ep. 05

Bicycle Laser Tag, Calendar LED Clock, Snow Melting Pads, and Sonder Location-Aware Dating

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Special thanks to Steph for joining us on this episode! Check out our website at spitball.show. Email us feedback, comments, and ideas at [email protected].

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00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:54 - Bicycle Laser Tag
00:09:09 - Calendar LED Clock
00:19:16 - Snow Melting Pads
00:32:35 - Sonder Location-Aware Dating
00:31:07 - Outro

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I'm Scott, I'm Russell, and I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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And this week is a special week because it is our first episode with a guest.

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Please welcome to the podcast, Miss Stephanie.

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Hey, it's Steph.

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Welcome.

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We're so happy to have you.

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This is gonna be a lot of fun.

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Steph and I work together in an IT department and we are constantly throwing ideas back

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and forth about things that we wish existed, websites and startups and all that.

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We think we're gonna have fun today.

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All right, Scott, you're up first this week.

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What's up?

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What do you got?

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So this is one that I just, or my wife and I thought of a couple of days ago and I haven't

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been able to stop thinking about it.

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We were out at a bar and we had biked there and as we were biking home, we played a game.

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We kind of like rode onto a basketball court at a school and we were just kind of winding

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around the hoops there.

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And we had also just previously watched the movie Top Gun the other day, like the new

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one.

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And as we're doing it, we're a little inebriated and we're pretending that we are both fighter

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planes trying to shoot down the other person on bikes like every kid has ever done.

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And how we were doing it though is like if I got behind you and you're in my sights and

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I would start counting as fast as I could to 20, like one, two, three, four, five, six,

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seven, eight, whatever.

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The first one to hit 20 and you count up for wherever you left off would have shot down

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the other person.

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Sure.

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And it was a fucking blast.

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It was so much fun, probably because we were drunk.

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But I can't stop thinking about how I would do hardware for this.

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Sure.

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How do you actually make this into a quick, simple piece of hardware that you could place

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on a bike, Bluetooth connected to your phone, and then have whatever features on there,

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like picture an IR sensor pointed just directly forward and then a receiver that gives you

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360 around you.

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So you can be shot from any side, but you can only shoot your IR signal out front.

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And every blast of IR would just be specific to whatever piece of hardware so it knows

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who it's going to.

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And then picture like something that actually holds your physical phone so you can clip

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it on your front handlebars.

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And it has all your screen, like your health or your ammo count or whatever, and with a

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simple button to shoot.

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And that is the entire hardware section of it.

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I would have a lot of fun with that, and I'm tempted to try it, but I don't have time.

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That rules.

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You've invented laser tag, but with a mount.

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Laser tag on bikes.

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Right.

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That's what I was thinking, laser tag.

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This sounds so fun.

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Yeah, that's what it's used.

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So the kit like clamps onto your handlebars and stuff, and you've got like a trigger on

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the handles.

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Okay, okay.

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Yep.

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Single button for your thumb and nothing else.

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I don't know how you avoid the lawsuits here.

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What kind of lawsuits?

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Someone's going to go flying, right?

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Oh, I know.

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Okay, well, then you just put it in big letters on top, like do not use ever or something.

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Yeah, because that totally works.

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Wait, is it like dangerous?

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Is that what you're saying?

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I just feel like, you know, you're encouraging a bunch of people to do distracted driving,

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but on bikes where they have no roll cage around them.

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But this sounds awesome.

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It's fair.

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Every good thing in life is dangerous.

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Starts with something dangerous until the lawyers get at it.

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Then you can't do it anymore.

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It's like lawn darts.

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I feel like this is just an app though, right?

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I feel like this.

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Yeah, the vast majority becomes an app real quick where you, I mean, okay, if you got

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multiple cell phones, you can have as many people as you want.

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Tell me more about the software side that you're picturing, because I've only ever used

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a laser tag kits from like the nineties that had no smartphone component to them and they

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just kind of made an explosion sound and you had three lives or whatever.

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Right?

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So what, what is, what is making a smartphone aware laser tag thing get you that probably

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exists now, right?

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Like, are there laser tag kits that pair your phone?

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You think I feel like it has to, I haven't actually looked for that.

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I mean, a great benchmark though.

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All the zoomers are going to be mad at us.

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That should exist like a laser tag for your phone.

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I played laser tag on my iPad 10 years ago, grandpa.

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Yes.

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So you've got lives, you've got, I think it's just health and an ammo count and a reset.

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I mean, that's the absolute minimum MVP you could do for this thing.

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You could add whatever features later.

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But then with the app, then you would get more analytics.

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Like with the regular laser tag, you don't get to see like, oh, you got shot by this

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person this many times and this person this many times.

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Yes.

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Longest stretch that you were in their sights or whatever.

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At an actual laser tag facility, sometimes they'll have like grenades or special like

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multi shot and that kind of thing.

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So there's, there's ways to expand it.

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You could add missiles or something on there.

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Boom.

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Pay to play, pay to win.

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Pay to win.

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I got it.

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You got to upgrade to this 28 speed bike and that's the only way you're going to outmaneuver

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them.

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I'm a bike laser whale.

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I'm going to spend a hundred dollars a day on this.

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Cosmetics for days.

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Yeah.

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Is there a way we can turn this into an ARG where it's like world, like Pokemon Go, where

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this is always happening everywhere and you just see people running around with their,

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you know what I mean?

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Like they have to go out to certain checkpoints and get things at certain times.

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And so you see the bikes just sort of flying around.

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Is this a bad idea?

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I don't know.

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Well, I just pictured like, I mean, I love the bike aspect of it.

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That's what made this so much fun.

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You're saying if we had a piece of hardware that you could just put on any phone and all

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of a sudden it becomes like Pokemon Go or whatnot, where random people on the street

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are playing, but you can only see who's playing through the app or whatever.

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But then all of a sudden we're going to have people pointing their phones at other people

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like guns and then someone's going to get shot for real.

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So that might not be a good idea.

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We'll stick with the bikes.

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Yeah.

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It can't look like a gun, but it doesn't have to.

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Right.

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That's the cool part about this is you maybe have some sort of like flag or denote some

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way to say, oh, I'm playing this game on my bike or whatever, or maybe you'd even know

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what the hardware strap to it, but it doesn't have to look like a gun because the bike is

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the weapon in this fantasy world.

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Laser tag has the whole like gun connotation, whereas if you just have this, you know, starfighter

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pilot or deemed or whatever, you know?

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Yeah.

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We found that the game didn't work too well when we were going home.

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You know, you're pretty much going in from point A to point B in a straight line.

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It was hard to get crazy fun maneuvers on there.

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But when we were both on a very open court with random obstacles like basketball poles

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and stuff, when we're maneuvering around, that's when it got extremely fun.

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So I don't know if it would be good at the randos on there.

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That sounds fun.

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I'm on the street.

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Do there are a lot of parks.

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I feel like this could this could exist in like some random parking lot.

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You go to the one of the dead malls, you know, and you just we're going to meet up and do

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bike tag.

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I don't know.

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Well, it'd be the because like in the neighborhood near us, they've been doing like Nerf wars

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and they have they invite all the neighborhood kids and they come do a Nerf war.

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Well, this would be the adult version.

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Love that.

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Totally adult version.

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Well, yeah, as I said, it I was like, well, I can't adults have Nerf wars too.

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Heck yeah.

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We just got to make it a drinking game.

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That's all you get shot down and take a shot.

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Move back.

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I mean, what if you brought like paintball, like dying paintball facilities and you're

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just like, all right, add bikes.

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What if we just put a gun on the front of the bike?

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It's just paintball.

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There's no app or anything.

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You have like an actual paintball gun on your bike.

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You know, we don't even need bikes.

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You guys just want to go play paintball.

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Well, like you're all wearing helmets anyway, right?

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Of course it's safe.

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You can still mount it to the front, right?

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So you can't like, you know, side shooting or something, but like you can still have

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like the same wing, like fighter pilot aspect, right?

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So it's just mounted to the actual bike.

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Yep.

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Dude, that'd be, I mean, not paintball.

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OK, replace paintball with Nerf darts, you know, replace paintball with Nerf balls and

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you got a kid friendly version, right?

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That would be pretty cool.

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Just a full launcher on the front of some kind.

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Orbeez.

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Having it be fixed to the bike straight ahead is genius because if it's just like a gun,

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you're just flailing it around shooting and stuff.

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But if you have to have strategy.

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Yeah, you got to actually face them, which is why I really want to try it in pairs.

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Like you actually have a wingman that you're working with because it was just two people.

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I mean, we still had a blast.

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It was just two people.

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But if I had a partner where they couldn't get behind me or someone could cut them off,

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that would be sweet.

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Dude, that is so cool.

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I don't know anything about dogfighting strategy.

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I have one data point.

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Dude, you can bring like blankets to the fight to like blind them.

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You know, you throw a blanket on somebody while they're...

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Can you imagine riding on a bike and throwing a blanket on someone?

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Tangled up in their spokes.

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Dude, it's war, man.

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I don't know what to tell you.

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War is hell.

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All right, Leo, what you got?

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All right.

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This is something that I've actually built an MVP for and have in my personal life that

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I need to, I don't know, bet against you guys and get feedback on and maybe expand into

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mass production or have someone else take and run with it.

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So Amazon has gone through a phase a couple of years ago where they made Lexa accessories

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for everybody.

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So like for every possible thing that you could glue a computer in, they had like the

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Lexa microwave and the smart whatever, right?

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One of the things that they had that was an accessory was a clock, an analog wall clock.

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And I was inspired by it the minute I saw it.

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It is a regular clock face and all along the rim of it is a bunch of white LEDs.

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And the only thing that it did was it paired directly to your echo.

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And when you set a timer, it lit up the LEDs to have a visual, always there representation

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of how much time was left on your timer.

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So like if you said set a timer for 10 minutes, it...

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Oh, God, it's a full circle around a circular analog clock.

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Okay, I got you.

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Yes, exactly.

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It's the diameter of it.

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And if you said set a timer for 10 minutes, the 12 all the way to the two would light

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up to show 10 minutes left and it would tick down, right?

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That's all it did.

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And I looked at that thing and thought, what a waste of software on beautiful hardware.

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What if we could show other stuff on this?

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So a couple of years ago, I made my own basically.

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Made your own clock?

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I took a bunch of RGB LEDs and put them around a clock.

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And I have a working prototype of color along the rim representing my Google Calendar, or

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the weather or other information.

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So when I look at this clock, if I have an event from two to three, and my Google Calendar

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is orange on the screen, then between the two and the three is lit up in orange.

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And so...

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Oh, that's cool.

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Yeah, for the next 12 hours, you kind of have a quick glanceable view of what your calendar

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is going to look like.

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You don't know what it is, but you know something is during this time.

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Yeah, I'm going to be busy from noon to four this afternoon.

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Oh man, it's going to be a big long afternoon or look at that, my whole morning's free kind

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of thing.

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And it switches between that and a temperature gradient like you'd see on your local news

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where it's going to be really hot in the afternoon.

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So it's all red over down there.

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And it's really, really pretty.

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And it's functional.

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Wait, how does the temperature one work again?

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I don't get that.

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So it shows the next 12 hours, wherever the hour hand is now.

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Oh, every LED lights up with every single one of them is the correct color according

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to temperature.

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And it's a spectrum from like a dark purple all the way through blue to green to yellow,

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orange and red for how cold or hot it will be at that moment.

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So you just kind of end up with like a yellow to orange to red to orange again.

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Oh, it's going to get me pretty hot in the next few hours.

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Does temperature fluctuate that?

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I guess it does.

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Yeah.

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Enough.

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I mean, oftentimes I'll look at it as just solid yellow for the next 12 hours.

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I'm like, okay, the temperature will be steady, but that's useful too.

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And so I kind of want to make more stuff where, you know, if it's going to be raining, then

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it'll twinkle at that point or.

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Oh, on just those numbers between two to three or whatever.

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Or if it's going to be a storm, it'll like flash like lightning or something.

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Yeah.

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So there's more you can do with it.

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But I, I kind of am at the point where I don't know what the next step is other than, hey,

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I kind of made this hacky thing just for me with hard coded my calendar in it, you know,

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and it's working, it's working.

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It's right there.

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It's fantastic.

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It's that it's an Ikea clock and some Ada fruit LEDs and a little Arduino and it works

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pretty well.

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But is this something that anyone in the world but me would be interested in?

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I guess is my first question.

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I mean, it's like, I know it depends how much it costs.

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Right.

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I suppose.

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But it's like one of those cool little devices you give to a friend, right?

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They're like, like, oh, like, here you go, dude, you like weather and clocks and tech,

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you know, thrown on your wall, right?

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Wait, I know a guy.

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Every single YouTuber on the planet.

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Like the fish.

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The fish.

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The big mouth billy bass.

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Everyone knows a guy that would like the bass.

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I may have one of those on the wall right next to my clock, actually.

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I think you made him an Alexa, too, didn't you?

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Yes.

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An Alexa fish.

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When you ask the trigger word, it lifts its head and talks in sync to the voice.

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It's pretty goofy.

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Amazing.

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Yeah.

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So that's my pitch.

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Is it one ring of LEDs or multi ring?

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Right now it's just one ring and there's five LEDs per hour.

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So you couldn't have it be more of a strip if it was nicer or maybe even multiple.

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Like if you had right now, if I have an event from two to four and my wife has an event

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from three to five, the overlap is like a mix between the colors.

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So if I was red and she was blue, that it's purple in the middle, you can usually tell

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at a glance what it's doing there.

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But that took some some math.

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Yeah, I feel like if you could pick like three rings that you would have one be the calendar,

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one be the weather temperature, and then the next would be like if it's raining.

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That's where my head goes.

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Or you create like, you know, they have that in the bar graph thing where the temperature

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increases over time.

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On the Apple on the Apple weather app, like night sky does this you show dark sky, yeah,

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dark sky increases, it goes closer to the ring, the larger ring and down as temperature

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increases and decreases.

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So would you have it like is the x axis for that in the middle?

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So it's like a wave that's going out farther from the middle and then back in when it's

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getting hotter or colder?

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Yes, yes, yeah.

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You almost need like a full LCD or OLED screen, something like that.

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Put an iPad up there, all the pixels we need.

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Let's just make an Apple watch with magnifying glass, you know, or a Fitbit, you know, then

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you can make your own watch faces.

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Why don't I just tape the Google Calendar app on a tablet to my wall, and then I'm I

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can see it all the time.

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Yeah.

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No, it looks that'll look ugly as hell.

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Like the bird.

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You guys ever have those bird clocks?

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The bird every hour?

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Oh, yeah, they do the different chirp on each.

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Oh, yeah.

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I'll be walking through the woods one day and I'll be I'll hear a random bird be like,

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Oh my god, it's 630 or something.

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Just my childhood nostalgia flashed back.

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I'm at grandpa's house.

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Exactly.

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No, there's somebody and they had a bird clock and I didn't know it.

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I'm like, where's this bird?

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He's very on the hour.

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Just leave it in a drawer.

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There's something trapped in the wall.

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Yeah.

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Dude, that's that's what you got to add, Leo.

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You can bring back the the analog bird clock.

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The bird clock.

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For you know, your grandpa, your dad.

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Gen Z bird clock.

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That's right.

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That's cool.

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We have a niche product.

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How can we make it more niche?

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I downloaded the app.

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It's the bird app.

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It'll chirp every hour, right?

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So you got to put an app star behind it, Leo.

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Boom.

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And a speaker can have different.

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Yeah, I can't stop thinking about what the Gen Z or millennial bird clock is it like

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means on every hour?

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What's the equivalent on that?

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I like tortles.

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Oh, it must be noon.

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That is not a bad idea either.

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No, you have that clock and then there's like a bug in it or it got reset and somehow it's

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not linked to your account anymore.

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And so there's just like lights up there and you're like, I have something at two o'clock.

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What is it?

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You can't find it because it's not on your account.

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Something is looming.

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The Russians hacked it.

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Now it's just flashing at me.

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Right.

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I really do like the idea of just one or two rings around it.

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The simplicity of this is what makes it so good.

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Like I'm watching your clock twirl in the background.

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That's so cool.

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Every 15 seconds it switches and it does a little animation between the two.

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And it's been, you know, something that I kind of worked on for a while and haven't

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touched again.

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And I look at it every day, but I love it.

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I keep thinking, what are other pieces of data that live on a timeline that I could

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visualize like for the next 12 hours, the temperature, my calendar, the fact that you

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got your work schedule on there plus weather like that's awesome.

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I don't know.

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I think that is plenty right now as an MVP to go to market with.

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I think it's an app store.

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Like I like why?

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Why think of it yourself?

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You know, just let other people make the cuckoo clock sound or the, you know, the grandfather

17:57

clock and just have people.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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Come up with their own ideas.

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And maybe I don't go to Ikea and hot glue LEDs to the back of clocks that they sell

18:08

anymore, but I actually get it manufactured somewhere.

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Well, now that it's on this podcast, if someone else wants to take it and productize it, I

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won't be mad.

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It's got to show us though.

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But maybe I'll open source what I have so far or something.

18:20

Everything said in this podcast is copyrighted by Spitball.

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We made it three episodes in before we're super protective over ideas now.

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Just saying, we're going to sue you if you're famous.

18:32

Episode one, we're like, anyone can have this, but episode three, we will send our lawyers.

18:37

We're starting to like our ideas.

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No, we just need a royalty.

18:39

I just want a royalty.

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Just 10%.

18:41

A free clock, right?

18:42

A dollar a unit.

18:43

Venmo us what you think is fair.

18:44

I don't know how well that Amazon clock sold, but maybe I could just buy their extra inventory

18:52

and flash their firmware, scratch off the logo on the back and call it mine.

18:57

That's interesting.

18:58

I wonder if you could do that.

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If you could just straight up reflash it on there.

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It might just be an ESP32.

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All the hardware's there.

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Yeah, or Arduino or something.

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I don't know.

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I don't think they're colored, but you can make something.

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Yeah, let's go look it up.

19:09

We'll find some Amazon warehouse bins, the dump bins and start buying clocks.

19:17

All right, Steph, you're up.

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What do you got?

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So coming from the Midwest, we have lots of snow all the time.

19:28

Well, you're always pushing it and shoveling it.

19:33

And there was a really big snowstorm a couple of years ago, and there was no place for the

19:37

snow to go.

19:38

We were out of space.

19:40

You couldn't even see my neighbors because the pile of snow was like eight feet high.

19:46

And it's like a 10 foot strip of grass between our two yards.

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And we both just snowblowed together on top of the one pile between our houses.

19:54

And there was just too much and it had nowhere to go.

19:57

And so I thought, well, snow in frozen form has huge volume, but melted, it would take

20:06

up a tiny bit of space.

20:08

So what if you could shovel your snow onto this snow melter platform down at the end

20:17

of the road that would drain into the storm drain?

20:21

Then you would have no more snow.

20:22

That's brilliant.

20:24

So like a giant tarp or something, some material and spot that you shovel onto.

20:30

Okay.

20:32

What happens to in storm drains in the winter?

20:35

Do those just freeze up or do they still work?

20:38

Do they freeze since they're underground?

20:40

I feel like I should know this.

20:43

I know.

20:44

They're underground.

20:45

They say if you don't want your pipes to freeze to have like a pencil of water flowing, then

20:51

it won't freeze.

20:52

So I think storm drains don't freeze because they're always just flowing.

20:54

That makes sense.

20:56

Like some creeks.

20:57

And so I'm picturing like a two by four heated plate or something that you would push the

21:02

snow onto and then it would melt and then go down the drain.

21:05

I had an aquarium with a beta fish for a couple of years and it came with a little

21:09

like, I don't know, a little bit bigger than a credit card size, just rubber flap and a

21:15

long cord that went right into the wall.

21:17

And all it did was heat.

21:18

Like you just stuck it in the aquarium in the rocks or whatever and it just heated stuff.

21:22

You want that, but a little bigger.

21:24

That's brilliant.

21:25

Yeah.

21:26

Like a heating pad for your driveway.

21:29

For a sore back.

21:30

I just want to figure out the math here.

21:34

How much energy does it take to move a two by four block of snow equivalent?

21:40

To melt it down, you mean?

21:42

Yeah.

21:43

Because like, I just keep coming back to flamethrowers on here.

21:45

Like I just want to do a propane flamethrower, like facing right on top of that and you're

21:49

just pushing snow into this open flame and then you're good to go.

21:54

One can an hour or something.

21:56

Or one can five minutes.

21:57

Yeah.

21:58

You could have like a snowbox and then you have the flames come down from the front and

22:03

you would push it into the box.

22:05

The flames would come down and melt it.

22:06

I figured this was just a slow thing.

22:08

So like you, at the end of the driveway here in the Midwest, we have these awful like icebergs

22:13

that form.

22:14

But if you just had like a strip all the way along it, it doesn't have to melt it in a

22:18

couple of minutes.

22:19

It could be like I push it onto there and then over the night or over the day, it just

22:25

sort of slowly melts it.

22:26

Okay.

22:27

That might be the thing.

22:29

Because if it's like an energy thing, right?

22:30

Like I can see like it costing a ton of electricity or whatever, right?

22:34

Maybe there's like, you know, when it's really hot out or like 32 degrees, snow could melt,

22:40

right?

22:41

If you maybe put a tarp over it or like some sort of like passive heating thing.

22:46

Totally.

22:47

And then you're shrinking it down, right?

22:49

It's like if the volume is too big, like how do you shrink it?

22:52

Maybe just a black tarp.

22:53

Is that all it takes?

22:54

Like, but it's covered.

22:56

What you want is a solar like pool heat.

22:59

You know how they have those like, yeah, you can go to a hardware store and get a big old

23:05

plastic container with black hose that just snakes through it and you set it in the sun

23:09

and add it to your pool loop and it slowly heats it with just making it warm in the sunlight.

23:15

Just from sunlight.

23:16

It's just a greenhouse and a black.

23:17

Yeah, yeah.

23:18

You could even make like a closed loop.

23:20

So like antifreeze, you throw antifreeze into a couple tubes, you stick them in the thing

23:27

and like a little just a little bit of heat, right?

23:30

Will slowly melt the snow over time.

23:32

It's got just got to be a little bit warmer than 32, right?

23:35

There was some kind of material and trying to remember what like piezo something.

23:39

It's just a it looks like a flat piece of ceramic tile.

23:43

If you run a current through it, one half gets really hot.

23:46

The other half gets really cold.

23:47

And just depending on how much electricity in the or the direction of the electricity,

23:53

one of those two things will happen.

23:54

So like if I were to reverse the flow, the cold side would get hot and the hot side would

23:57

get cold.

23:58

And so you could use they're not very efficient, but you could use them to make like if you

24:03

put it in a box with the walls made of this, you could either have a heater or cooler or

24:07

flip a switch and it would be the opposite.

24:08

And I'm just trying to think we made a tile platform of this ran a crap ton of electricity

24:13

through it.

24:14

Could the cold side just be the side facing the ground?

24:17

Yeah, exactly.

24:18

Mm hmm.

24:19

Yeah.

24:20

The cold just has to go somewhere.

24:21

You could I mean, you could channel it out to wherever you want or up in the air or something.

24:25

Interesting, man.

24:27

OK, I'm thinking simple firewood, water or something like how do you how do you bring

24:35

it like I just think that there's got to be another solution besides an outlet that you

24:39

an extension cord that you run out there.

24:42

Propane.

24:43

Well, I was wondering how much solar energy like we're talking about, like how much heat

24:49

do you need and how much energy does that take to melt the lower layer?

24:54

And then would solar be enough like sorry, shot in the dark here.

25:01

OK, compost piles.

25:04

All right.

25:06

OK, in December, in December, stay hot.

25:11

No, they stay hot.

25:12

The comp really.

25:13

Yeah.

25:14

If you go around, there were houses on Mackinac that used to heat themselves through the winter

25:18

using just what from the like the gas, maybe.

25:22

No, it's just the the reaction, the chemical reactions going on of a bunch of little microbes

25:28

in there eating and pooping is enough to generate heat.

25:31

What?

25:32

Yes.

25:33

OK, could you have your compost be in a hole in the ground and its lid is flush with the

25:41

ground then and it's like putting off the heat and that's what you shovel the snow onto

25:46

water piping heat pile.

25:49

OK, somehow get the OK, maybe figure this out.

25:53

We'll figure this out with like the engineers.

25:55

We'll hire the engineers to figure this out.

25:59

Wave your hands a little bit.

26:00

We got a compost pile over here.

26:03

We have a snow pile over here.

26:06

How do we bring the heat from here to there?

26:10

OK, Steph's about to blow our minds.

26:16

So I think I've had this conversation with Leo before.

26:20

We've argued about when you use the oven and you're done cooking, whatever you're cooking,

26:27

do you leave the door open and have it heat your house or do you leave it closed?

26:31

But he said, where does the heat go if the door is closed?

26:37

Well, what if you could have a fan blow that extra heat from the oven out there because

26:45

you're cooking more in the winter?

26:46

That's brilliant.

26:47

Yes, Steph, I don't know if you're joking or if that's just the most genius idea I've

26:51

heard today.

26:52

You could probably pull heat from addicts in the winter, right?

26:58

Well, because our company, they have heated sidewalks in some places because it's using

27:03

the excess heat from somewhere.

27:05

So I was like, well, what is a heat source in your house?

27:08

OK, another idea.

27:10

Sorry to take this.

27:11

OK, you know how you run your AC in the summer and you heat your house in the winter?

27:19

Yeah, I'm with you.

27:22

No.

27:23

OK, store it old school.

27:25

OK, why get rid of why get rid of something that's totally useful in the summer?

27:32

Yes, instead of having the melted snow because snow in itself has big volume.

27:39

Well, melted to a liquid instead of putting it down the storm drain, you make it into

27:43

cubes and leave it outside to refreeze it.

27:46

And then those are the cubes that you set in your house to cool it in the summer.

27:49

Just hold on to them for a few months.

27:53

There's a real thing.

27:54

They're called ice houses.

27:55

We're just back to the 1800s.

27:58

What's wrong with that?

28:00

That's free energy, baby.

28:02

Like in Texas, we could.

28:04

The old freezers are called ice boxes because you just put a cube of ice in there.

28:08

Boom.

28:09

I'm just I'm just wondering why we in Michigan, but any Midwest city, you would ever have

28:14

an AC unit if we could just figure out how to store these mountains of snow.

28:20

OK, as insane amounts of snow, they do this enough.

28:25

What is it like?

28:26

Some manufacturing plant will run the run an ice machine all night because it's energy

28:32

efficient so that they keep the.

28:34

Have you heard about this?

28:36

It's more energy efficient to make the ice at night because the electricity is cheaper

28:40

at night so that they can use it throughout the day.

28:43

Yes.

28:44

So it's not more energy efficient.

28:45

It's just cheap.

28:46

People do this.

28:47

It's cheaper.

28:48

Yeah.

28:49

Well, there's free ice every year.

28:52

I don't know.

28:54

I just I'm like it's a wasted resource, man.

28:57

It's free resource falling from the sky.

29:00

We just free cooling, free heat, free cooling, dude.

29:05

I don't know.

29:06

Can we turn it into energy?

29:08

So our roofs sometimes around here have those little like melty snake things that keep the

29:15

ice dams from forming.

29:17

How do those work?

29:18

This is just that.

29:19

Right.

29:20

But in a place I always thought that was electricity.

29:23

That's what I mean.

29:24

I'm coming back to the beginning here.

29:26

Are those really that expensive to operate that we're trying to figure out ways to store

29:30

ice for six months?

29:31

Like why don't we just plug it in?

29:33

I don't know.

29:34

How are those not super expensive?

29:36

I guess I just feel like the amount of calories it takes to melt snow is like crazy.

29:42

Like it just it's way.

29:43

All right.

29:44

I'm going to go to chat.

29:45

You be the fifth podcast guest.

29:48

I need to Google this.

29:52

We don't Google things anymore, Stephanie.

29:54

How much energy?

29:55

Googling is so 2021.

30:00

And first half of 2022.

30:01

Large language models are where it's at.

30:03

They will be our engineer.

30:04

All right.

30:05

What about snow compression?

30:07

Compress the snow.

30:09

Into ice.

30:10

Is that water?

30:11

I wonder if you like simultaneously heat and compress snow into giant ice blocks.

30:17

Yeah.

30:18

Compressing stuff heats it up, right?

30:21

So you guys ever remember those graphs in physics where it's like, here's the three

30:25

states of water and you have the center point and whatnot.

30:28

I think if we compress it, it's just going to turn back into water at that point.

30:32

And then it goes down the drain.

30:36

We're trying to make it go from solid to liquid here, Scott.

30:39

Can you use the weight of the snow to compress snow to melt snow?

30:44

This idea has got legs.

30:46

When I was growing up, we had I had grandparents who their main trash in their kitchen was

30:50

a big trash compactor.

30:51

You closed it and every few minutes, not a few minutes, every few days or whatever, you

30:55

press the button and it's smashed into a little cube.

30:57

I thought it was the coolest thing.

30:59

We just need that.

31:00

But for snow and then it turns it into ice and drains or into water and drains out the

31:04

bottom into the storm drain.

31:05

Right.

31:06

Yeah.

31:08

How much pressure do you need?

31:09

Yeah.

31:10

I just asked chat that chat GPT that it's called pressure melting.

31:14

Apparently, it is very much a thing.

31:16

Is it hard to do?

31:18

When I park my car on top of the snow, what compress?

31:22

Oh, I'm thinking of ways to use your way.

31:26

Use the cars.

31:27

Yeah.

31:29

Or like, yeah, something like that.

31:31

Why not?

31:32

Hmm.

31:33

So, your whole driveway is a big pad.

31:36

You shovel the snow.

31:38

What?

31:39

Yeah.

31:40

Like, what if you I don't know, instead of.

31:42

All right, here we go.

31:43

I got it.

31:44

Car sized box.

31:45

Car sized box.

31:47

When you're not in your driveway, it is up at ground level.

31:52

One of the sides of the box is ramp.

31:55

You shovel all of the snow into that drive up onto box, which pushes it down and compresses

32:01

it and liquidizes it.

32:03

And then it goes through your house's plumbing out to the sewer lines.

32:06

Boom.

32:07

Like, I know it sounds like is this sounds like it's possible between pressure like pressure

32:15

should melt snow.

32:16

We're going to get like a single email with like three lines of math being like, you guys

32:20

are stupid.

32:21

Well, ask that guy to solve this problem then.

32:26

All right.

32:27

At least we're trying over here.

32:28

This would take enough electricity to power Las Vegas for eight years.

32:32

Okay.

32:33

But my driveway is clean.

32:34

That's right.

32:35

All right, Russell, let's see what you've got now.

32:42

All right.

32:43

So I'm going to do a dating app, I think again.

32:46

Hell yeah.

32:47

Russell's Love Corner.

32:48

I'm a married man.

32:50

Every other episode.

32:51

Russell's Love Corner episode two.

32:52

I'm in.

32:53

We need a sound for that.

32:54

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32:56

Can you say welcome back to Russell's Love Corner?

32:58

Welcome back to Russell's Love Corner.

33:01

Brown chicken, brown cow.

33:03

Hit us up.

33:05

I'm so excited.

33:07

So you know, I've got a many dating app ideas, but as a married man, I will never do them.

33:14

As we previously established, married men cannot invent dating apps.

33:17

That's right.

33:19

Like watch me.

33:22

This is my favorite dating app.

33:24

It's called Sonder.

33:26

Okay.

33:27

If anybody's seen, there's like this viral YouTube video about how you pass people all

33:32

the time and their lives are just so intrinsically complex, like your own, I don't know, this

33:40

deep BS that tells people like, hey, when you pass somebody on the road, like especially

33:47

in a major city, it's just kind of crazy how that person that you'll never see again is

33:52

going to live their entire life and you will never see them again.

33:55

All right.

33:56

Okay.

33:57

So the dating app, all right, takes that concept and says, all right, whenever you pass people

34:02

that are single and on the app, you kind of match, right?

34:07

It's a light match.

34:08

You don't actually get to know each other.

34:10

It's just a light match.

34:11

And the more instances where you're passing people, you get more hits, right?

34:17

And eventually the more hits you get with people, the more likely you are to match with

34:21

them.

34:22

This is a concept that actually Nintendo DS did.

34:25

Street pass.

34:26

That's what I was thinking of too.

34:27

I don't know what this is.

34:31

It's insane.

34:32

You, if you had your Nintendo DS in your pocket and you walk by another person that had a

34:36

Nintendo DS in their pocket, you would exchange information and like get points and like special

34:42

prizes and stuff in your game.

34:45

Right.

34:46

And it was sick.

34:47

You could, what was also crazy is if you went to like certain wifi hotspots, right, you

34:53

would pass with multiple people at that wifi hotspot.

34:57

And so basically now this dating app is not a swipe and be it's matching with people that

35:05

do similar stuff as you that you would normally pass by in life.

35:10

Oh, so I'm putting all my interests on here ahead of time.

35:14

Like I like sailing or I like, no, whatever.

35:18

No, you are living your best life and connecting to wifi hotspots and you're passing by other

35:24

people's phones.

35:25

Right.

35:26

And every time.

35:28

So if you and some other girl go to the same Kroger every week, it'll match you and you

35:33

just miss each other like by one minute.

35:37

Like let's say you go on the same commute every day to nearly the same spot, to the

35:42

same gym, but you're always off by one hour.

35:45

Right.

35:46

Talk about that one small town girl living in a lonely world.

35:49

Like imagine you just missed that your life partner, because you take the train 10 minutes

35:56

after them, you go to the gym one hour after them.

36:00

Right.

36:01

So you have like the perfect life together.

36:05

This app would solve that through wifi hotspots and passing by people.

36:11

So now we're matching people on.

36:13

So like it kind of incentivizes the more you do, the more you're likely you're to match.

36:19

Right.

36:20

So if you go to concerts, you go to events and how cool would it be if 10 years down

36:24

the road you're like, Whoa, I match with you.

36:27

We passed each other a hundred times, never saw each other until this moment.

36:34

Right.

36:35

Until we started having the, like, this goes beyond dating app almost.

36:38

This is like cool for life also.

36:41

Like I would love to like have a friend that I meet down the road.

36:44

I'm like, Whoa, let's see if we pass each other like a million times.

36:47

Like I don't know, but all I have to say is I feel like the dating app version would be

36:52

way cool because it just matches people more authentically.

36:57

Right.

36:59

That's it.

37:00

I love this.

37:01

So I need to credit a guy named Shannon, C H A N N O N Perry, who wrote a blog post last

37:06

fall, actually about a year ago today in August of 2022.

37:10

This person took their Google history, their location history, which they had about 10

37:18

years worth of and their partners, and they overlapped it and did a bunch of math and

37:22

Python and learned that before they met, they had 33 times that they were within a hundred

37:28

meters of each other and talked about like, there were 2,700 something coordinates that

37:35

were both recorded at the same point in time, but it only lasted for a moment.

37:38

I was at university.

37:39

They were working near at the time and stuff, but here were the 33 near misses.

37:44

And over here at this spot over here, it happened many times and stuff.

37:47

I'll put the link in the show notes, but this exact idea, you could, you could even leverage

37:53

Google's existing location history.

37:55

So you don't have to like start from ground zero and begin, but even say like straight

37:58

up imported.

37:59

Yeah.

38:00

You begin your journey in your cool new app by importing where you've been for the last

38:04

10 years.

38:05

Yeah.

38:06

All that.

38:07

See how many near misses you've already had with people.

38:09

It's like time hop, but time travel.

38:13

Time hop, but with friends.

38:15

Time hop with friends.

38:16

Yeah.

38:17

And, and distances, right?

38:19

Like in geography.

38:20

Strangers.

38:21

Time hop with strangers.

38:22

Yeah.

38:23

Dude.

38:24

That'd be so cool.

38:26

That would be really cool.

38:28

Even outside of dating apps.

38:29

Like I'd love to see that for random people.

38:31

Like have we ever met before?

38:32

Do I know you?

38:33

You always hear those stories of like, wow, I'm in the background of my now wife's Disney

38:37

photos when they were on vacation or whatever.

38:40

Yeah.

38:41

There's probably way more of that.

38:42

When they're both like eight years old or something.

38:44

Right.

38:45

When it's harder to fake, cause you know, you can put on your Tinder profile like, oh,

38:50

I like reading and you know, biking.

38:54

But this is actually like, okay, are they actually going out biking or?

38:59

Do you like hiking?

39:00

Have you been hiking?

39:01

Or like, oh, my GPS says you haven't left your house in four weeks.

39:07

You'd be perfect for this person though.

39:09

They live next door.

39:10

They never leave their house.

39:12

What helped inspire this app is because I know, as I said before, my wife's friends

39:17

are very single.

39:19

Any guys living on the, you know, listening to this podcast, I got some hookups.

39:25

They don't, sometimes they don't leave the house.

39:28

Sometimes they don't do anything.

39:29

And I'm like, oh, so your chances of meeting anybody are zero.

39:33

And they're like, oh, they don't want to be on any dating apps.

39:35

Oh, well then your chances are like negative zero.

39:39

Well then here's Sondra.

39:40

Right.

39:41

Yeah, exactly.

39:42

So if you're looking for anything, just run the app on your phone and you will find your

39:46

perfect match just by living your life.

39:48

Right.

39:49

I don't know.

39:50

Like, well, hopefully, right.

39:52

Do something, walk your dog, go to the dog park.

39:54

I don't know anything.

39:56

And you will get matches with people that do similar things that you do.

40:00

And now your first date is something you already do.

40:05

You don't have to figure it out.

40:07

Right.

40:08

Or you at least have stuff to talk about.

40:09

Oh, man.

40:10

You also once a month go over to the whatever.

40:12

Yeah.

40:13

I remember going over there recently, too.

40:14

Yeah.

40:15

Oh, wow.

40:16

I didn't even think about that.

40:17

This is great, man.

40:19

We have the same chiropractor.

40:21

It was love at first sight.

40:27

Yeah.

40:28

I hate when he cracks my back that way.

40:31

Yeah, I know.

40:32

Me too.

40:33

We're in love.

40:34

Hating on the chiropractor for the whole first date.

40:37

So how'd you meet?

40:38

Well, we met like 80 times and we didn't even know it.

40:43

This is I like this.

40:44

This is really fun.

40:46

It's my favorite idea that I will never launch like this is like, but hopefully somebody

40:54

does so I can just install it on my phone and then be done with my life.

40:58

Can you make this so I can have the friend version?

41:01

Right.

41:02

Not the dating app version.

41:03

Right.

41:04

Yeah.

41:05

Just I want to meet new people.

41:06

That's great.

41:07

Yeah.

41:08

I'm going to make it a fair.

41:09

Okay.

41:10

Got it.

41:11

Please.

41:12

A fair free.

41:13

Can I have the affair free version?

41:14

Now it's $10 a month.

41:18

No affairs.

41:19

Sorry, married men and women.

41:24

The terms and conditions are going to be very confusing.

41:27

So kind of like that where you're talking about location based alerts and communication

41:33

is I was wondering when you started to talk if it would have been you are somewhere and

41:38

it alerts you that someone single is nearby.

41:40

I'm like, would it tell you who it is?

41:42

Or would it just be like, oh, someone single is nearby.

41:46

Just chat up everyone.

41:47

You know, I could see an entire YouTube channel dedicated to guys getting that notification

41:52

on their phone and just be looking up like groundhogs all around them.

41:57

I would watch that all day a compilation of that.

42:01

So is it bumbled where the women choose first?

42:04

Yeah.

42:05

The women speak first or whatever.

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You have that where the men you have to specify, but when you get the app set up, the men can

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only receive notifications and the women can only send them and they can press one button

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and everyone in the area is just notified.

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They just get pinged.

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Send out a pulse.

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12 dudes.

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The woman pulls out the app and it's like, there are 41 dudes around you who will be

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notified.

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You press the button.

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That's brilliant.

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I think that has something.

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I think you could tap into that a little bit.

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Like if I'm going out with friends and I want to like have somebody approach me, but that's

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something like that.

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I think that's a different dating app.

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I think that's a different one.

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Yeah, probably.

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Save that for next week's dating app.

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That's another one.

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Yeah.

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Russell's Love Corner.

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Tune in next week to Russell's Love Corner.

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Oh yeah.

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